tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361271419454681370.post6494808417049595856..comments2023-03-09T07:25:33.750-08:00Comments on The Church Relevant: SPUC... What?Anonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10263666255961314357noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361271419454681370.post-5659757465750581602013-01-23T16:47:37.412-08:002013-01-23T16:47:37.412-08:00Thanks for posting this. I have sympathy for a lot...Thanks for posting this. I have sympathy for a lot of that you say an and I said it in response to Caroline Farrow's blog http://carolinefarrow.com/2013/01/04/credit-where-credits-due/#comment-3318<br /><br />Without going over it all again, I think basically you're right about the scope of SPUC's activities. It is in danger of spreading itself too thin. I do accept a possible link between SSM and abortion but to be honest it all seems a bit theoretical. There are non-theoretical babies being slaughtered as we speak! Also for the unborn, the battle for hearts and minds can be won but if you give the pro-abortionists the chance to create some kind of right-wing bogeyman, they will take it.<br /><br />Having said all that, I do think you might have been a bit harsh on poor Anthony. He was getting it from all sides and did a sterling job of holding it together. Perhaps he could have talked more charitably about people with same sex attraction. Most of what he said was on the money.Daniel Toyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13141054206207742243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361271419454681370.post-91910252900651097302013-01-23T03:50:16.917-08:002013-01-23T03:50:16.917-08:00Whilst I do find that comment in somewhat poor tas...Whilst I do find that comment in somewhat poor taste, the proposals actually exempt gay couples from the requirement for consummation. What is being discussed in the Bill are gay relationships, not gay acts. Like I say, the only logical link I can see between the two issues is the association with a liberal outlook on life. That said, I think I have a fairly liberal outlook on life and I object to both. Your point says precisely why, that not having corresponding genitalia, gay couples are unable to have children and so unable to abort.<br /><br />I don't think gay relationships are any less valuable than straight ones, I just think they're different. One is about the love between two people and creating a safe and stable environment in which to bring up children, the other relationship is about the love between two people. I think some straight people fall into the same category as gay relationships too, where couples are not open to the possibility of children. I think that marriage recognises that truth.<br /><br />I didn't realise there was any row over the SPUC's campaigning role. Could you pass on any links?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10263666255961314357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7361271419454681370.post-70954545455168463722013-01-22T14:24:11.159-08:002013-01-22T14:24:11.159-08:00Across the Atlantic, they are marking the fortieth...Across the Atlantic, they are marking the fortieth anniversary of Roe v Wade, when the Supreme Court did exactly as the supposedly sacrosanct Constitution entitles it to do and overturned the laws of all 50 states with no democratic accountability whatever.<br /><br />Meanwhile, we in Britain are witnessing the row over the campaigning role of SPUC, as such, against the redefinition of legal marriage so as to include same-sex couples.<br /><br />Initially, I could see the point. I have been in and around SPUC (it is fairly loose-knit) for 20 years, and this did not seem like quite what it, as SPUC, was for.<br /><br />But I have been thinking, not without distaste. Unlike that legally sexless arrangement, a civil partnership, a marriage requires consummation.<br /><br />Brace yourself, gentle reader, but if the orifice of male defecation is to be considered the legal equivalent of that through which a woman gives birth, then their respective products must surely be treated equivalently, too.<br /><br />Every day, those products, respectively human waste and human beings, are already being treated as not merely equivalent, but for all practical purposes identical. Perhaps the present debate will focus the mind on that horrific fact?<br /><br />So yes, this is very much an integral part of the pro-life cause.David Lindsayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06839882674758833524noreply@blogger.com